tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35583920.post5866462556507113394..comments2024-03-10T01:57:07.008-05:00Comments on what I meant to say: hell nodave workmanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13068663095945094946noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35583920.post-70563637061135507562007-08-15T09:32:00.000-04:002007-08-15T09:32:00.000-04:00I cannot imagine a more brutal and unloving religi...I cannot imagine a more brutal and unloving religious conviction than reincarnation. Jesus and His Way are all about love, life and freedom through grace and mercy. Hinduism is all about justice, works and revenge. <BR/><BR/>As one expert on reincarnation said, "It would take about 600,000 years to escape the karma of an earlier life. As Bono said, "I believe that God's grace trumps your karma." <BR/><BR/>Thanks to Jesus for liberating us 2000 years ago from all karma.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35583920.post-65723892496556371782007-08-14T13:30:00.000-04:002007-08-14T13:30:00.000-04:00I was on vacation and missed the Heaven and Hell m...I was on vacation and missed the Heaven and Hell message. But when I got back and saw the newsletter about a reincarnation messages I got excited, because I also can't help feel there may be something to this. I have no doubts about my faith in Christ, and my being saved. But this issue is intriguing. But I believe it’s like the argument between Creation and Evolution. There are good arguments for both, but you will never get anywhere. Maybe it’s a combination of both? Maybe there is something to being Saved and Reincarnation, past lives, NDE, etc…? There is so much here we don’t know and maybe can’t understand. I don’t know. But the important thing is to keep the most importing things in clear focus. Being Redeemed by our Savior. <BR/><BR/>I have read Mere Christianity, A case for Christ, and am now reading ‘A case for Faith’ ( which awesome by the way). And I did find that book Dave mentioned: Reincarnation by Mark C. Albrecht online for free here:<BR/>http://www.ccel.us/reincarnation.toc.html<BR/><BR/>I also read a very good book about past lives called ‘Many Lives, Many Masters’ by Brian Weiss, M.D. which was very interesting. I prayed before I read this book, and felt it was ok to read it. It was very convincing, but I can see how it may be dangerous to ones faith to ‘dabble’ in such things. The Bible teaches us to avoid this, and I can see that it really ‘adds’ nothing to my faith. So, even though I am curious, that was the only one I have read.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35583920.post-89999798642191502252007-08-12T04:17:00.000-04:002007-08-12T04:17:00.000-04:00Hi Dave could you explain your understanding of th...Hi Dave could you explain your understanding of the Idea of abrahams bussom and Christs work there as mentioned in someones comments, I would love you hear your perspective. I did like your approach to the reincarnation question posed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35583920.post-7680494440679040882007-08-10T07:17:00.000-04:002007-08-10T07:17:00.000-04:00My wife and I found the talk to be engaging as wel...My wife and I found the talk to be engaging as well. We really loved the way you called out the "I cannot be happy in heaven while people are in hell" people. I have heard that many times, and sometimes over a cup of starbucks. It is nice to hear a sort of rebuttal (about people in Darfur living in hell right now while we enjoy our consumerism). <BR/>I felt the talk was given with authority. Really good stuff.<BR/>Thanks Dave.<BR/>-Don-<BR/>www.youseedrybones.comAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35583920.post-65473934546394447122007-08-09T20:12:00.000-04:002007-08-09T20:12:00.000-04:00I too thought the message was great. Dave rocks.I...I too thought the message was great. Dave rocks.<BR/><BR/>I'm sitting-in with the 3% that don't believe they are going to hell. I do, however, have my days/weeks of doubt. <BR/> <BR/>I believe in hell and know with certainy there is a spiritual realm where satan's angels are bidding. I especially feel it when I'm overwhelmed and/or pressured. God's peace does not come soon enough. I will never understand or master His timing.<BR/><BR/>A great friend of mine is Hindu and believes in reincarnation. We discuss religion often. Her religion is so embedded in the culture and family structure it's not something she could easily walk away from...nor at this time or ever would she want to. I don't want to think she and her family would not be in heaven. It feels like cruel punishment.<BR/><BR/>Peace,<BR/>TabithaTabitha : )https://www.blogger.com/profile/10779601346214484519noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35583920.post-20649793345234463332007-08-09T12:26:00.000-04:002007-08-09T12:26:00.000-04:00Hey Dave! I hope you enjoyed your time away and i...Hey Dave! I hope you enjoyed your time away and it was great to have you back (and Charlie as well). I wondered why the worship band is never introduced. Sometimes I am curious and want to know who is playing up there for us. I don't think it would take much time for Charlie or Jim to let us know who is in the band every once in awhile. Maybe they are satisfied being anonymous, but they deserve recognition for their talents that are God given and used for God.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35583920.post-20925667129131166652007-08-08T19:59:00.000-04:002007-08-08T19:59:00.000-04:00DaveYou compassionately handled the topic way more...Dave<BR/>You compassionately handled the topic way more effectively than any "fire and brimstone" approach could do. Seeker sensiive but sincere and impactful. I served at three celebrations this weekend so heard the message thrice - each time found a new perspective on something and have been a follower of Christ for almost 30 years.<BR/><BR/>On reincarnation Hebrews 9:27 -28 seals the argument: "Just as man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment, so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many people; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him.<BR/><BR/>I heard an explanantion on "Abraham's bosom" recently - would be interested in your perspective on this - I had never thought of it this way before: Pre-Christ God followers were said to go there when they died....a deposit of the things to come and that when Christ rose he took everyone from Abrham's bosom with him.<BR/>Thanks for all you do and your servant heart.<BR/>Another grape in the VCC bunch.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35583920.post-16894687410010811392007-08-08T13:44:00.000-04:002007-08-08T13:44:00.000-04:00Gee, I'm blushing, guys. Thanks for the kind comme...Gee, I'm blushing, guys. Thanks for the kind comments; maybe I should speak on hell more often...dave workmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13068663095945094946noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35583920.post-34100307891577876952007-08-08T11:08:00.000-04:002007-08-08T11:08:00.000-04:00I enjoyed this series so much! God's presence is ...I enjoyed this series so much! God's presence is permeable at the Vineyard when we worship and when we pray together. It is so exciting for me as a Christian who is learning her way through the Bible and through the teachings at the Vineyard to be a part of this fantastic family. I feel that God is with us every step of the way and He speaks through you Dave in an exciting way! God blesses us through you and your acceptance of this mission from Him becomes a blessing to all who hear you and know you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35583920.post-52765301264282503392007-08-07T22:59:00.000-04:002007-08-07T22:59:00.000-04:00Glad you're back Dave and what a message for your ...Glad you're back Dave and what a message for your first week back! I didn't get to hear all of it on Sunday so I finished up tonight. Truly inspiring and so well delivered. I've never heard a message discussing heaven and hell the way you put it. Thanks for making so many things so much clearer.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35583920.post-82845100030913241552007-08-07T22:53:00.000-04:002007-08-07T22:53:00.000-04:00Dang Dave!You're Smart.ChadDang Dave!<BR/><BR/>You're Smart.<BR/><BR/>ChadAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35583920.post-78233856484548355612007-08-07T16:39:00.000-04:002007-08-07T16:39:00.000-04:00Re: ReincarnationWay to speak the Truth in Love Da...Re: Reincarnation<BR/><BR/>Way to speak the Truth in Love Dave. We have all had those times when conversations have turned to either politics and/or religion and how that seems to bring the worst out of many of us.<BR/><BR/>And that is the amazing part. It would seem to me that in the course of "defending" our position that it really opens up or magnifies the TRUTH/NON-TRUTH in our own lives. The person that you are trying to "get on your side" shines that flashlight back at you. <BR/><BR/>Quite frankly sometimes that light shows uglier things then the person you are trying to "convert".<BR/><BR/>Throughout this amazing walk I am constantly reminded that encounters with others who may not share my beliefs only serve to make me either do as I say I do or make me assess whether or not my path is indeed true and research the answer. If you are indeed genuine in your search for the truth, then I believe it is necessary to look at the other side. To not investigate the other side is blind faith regardless of who or what you follow, and I find it hard to believe that God wants blind faith followers. Real faith after real searching. It is indeed a PERSONAL journey, with the body of Christ to guide along the way but when the time comes to "meet the Man". It is only you and the Judge. Not others in the Body, not your mom, not your pastor... yeah scary.<BR/><BR/>To the reincarnation-ist, keep on searching for the truth, I am glad to hear you are searching for the truth and positive if you genuinely look for the treasure, then you will find it. To break the cycle is to know ultimate Truth and to not sound cliche but...that Truth will set you free.<BR/><BR/>I found the Truth, the Life and the Way in 2003 and I still stumble and sometimes even take a step back but it is far better then having my wheel spin and not go anywhere.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35583920.post-33484441189040812622007-08-06T21:34:00.000-04:002007-08-06T21:34:00.000-04:00Wow! Vacation must have been great as a new REVIV...Wow! Vacation must have been great as a new REVIVED Dave entered VCC on Saturday night. What an awesome message to be delivered on your first celebration back!! I dont think that we talk enough about Heaven or Hell and the preparation that is required to make sure that Heaven is the final destination. I think the procrastinator in us says "Oh, I will make that decision later. I have plenty of time" or "I am a good person and God wouldn't send me to Hell". I think we forget that when we are physcially born, we are born into sin and our destination is Hell until we exercise our FREE WILL to have a spiritual rebirth and CHOOSE Christ as our Lord and Savior. The chit-chat conversations in church and in the parking lot after the celebration were ALL positive and many people felt it was time to hear the facts instead of tip toeing thru the service to try to please folks. WAY TO GO DAVE!!! I GOT YOUR BACK!!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35583920.post-26268018243193940972007-08-06T12:58:00.000-04:002007-08-06T12:58:00.000-04:00Glad you're back too. What you said in regards to...Glad you're back too. What you said in regards to suicide was very moving to me...and very comforting. Having struggled with the death of a close friend many years ago to suicide...always had that fear, but now I don't. Had never heard it put quite that way, thanks for your wisdom.Jodihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05559479356358514051noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35583920.post-89326319820073883382007-08-05T22:08:00.000-04:002007-08-05T22:08:00.000-04:00I am SO glad you are back, Dave! :) And what a way...I am SO glad you are back, Dave! :) And what a way to come back. Wow. The message on Heaven & Hell was great. We needed it. Wish it could have been longer. <BR/>Thanks for creating the blog!<BR/><BR/>Respectfully,<BR/>LindaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com